Jan 15, 2010 - Purchasing Christian Bible references on gun sites most certainly “establishes. This is a private company creating their own serial numbers. The Trijicon biblical verses controversy, known by the sobriquet Jesus rifles, refers to the stamping of Bible verse references (e.g. Rev21:23) onto telescopic sights for rifles manufactured by Trijicon, which bear religious inscriptions. On 18 January 2010, ABC News reported Trijicon was placing references to verses in the Bible in the serial numbers of sights sold to the U.S. The ABC News story was initiated by Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, after being alerted to the practice by multiple sources including active-duty servicemembers.
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Trijicon MRO update. From their website 'The Trijicon MRO Manufactured before Serial number 89,000 did have a very slight magnification of 1.05x which is within the range of competitive reflex-style sight. Responding to customer feedback Trijicon adjusted the magnification in MROs with a serial number of 89,000 or higher to have a magnification. Trijicon Knock-Offs Getting “Better” (Or Worse, Depends on Perspective) Fake is pictured on the left and is serial 1608160. Differences are pretty obvious. Fake has no seam present, lettering is quite different including font and placement including the dial. Diode is missing from the rear left of the fake. Color and finish is a little off as well.
O ' ABC News reported Trijicon was placing references to verses in the Bible in the serial numbers of sights sold to the U.S. Military' o The photo shows 'ACOG4X32JN8:12' which is not a serial number, but the model, and parses out to ACOG Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight 4 times magnification with 32mm lens with reference to John 8:12. Not anymore, at least on US military contract optics. It was ruled that including the bible verse notation was promoting of religion and not allowed by constitution.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_military_ .. lnYW5kZWZl WASHINGTON – Army officials said Tuesday they will investigate whether a Michigan defense contractor violated federal procurement rules by stamping references to Bible verses on combat rifle sights used by American forces to kill enemy fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan. Trijicon said it has been longstanding company practice to put the Scripture citations on the equipment. Tom Munson, Trijicon's director of sales and marketing, said the company has never received any complaints until now. 'We don't publicize this,' Munson said in a recent interview. 'It's not something we make a big deal out of. But when asked, we say, 'Yes, it's there.' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll bet the procurement spec gets updated soon..
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I saw the markings on mine, but didn't know what they were. I thought maybe they were casting numbers.
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This has 'come out' several times in the past, but it never really went anywhere.
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I know this won't be a popular opinion on most gun forums, but I am very much anti-organized religion in general. That being said, I don't find these markings to be obnoxious and I wouldn't care that they were on my sights. I don't even think I would have noticed them; they look like part of the serial number. I doubt this will go anywhere.
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For the love of all that's holy let's not offend the people who are trying to kill us! Do people go around looking for sh*t to offend them? Do one's religious beliefs alter the effectiveness of the sight? This is so much bs over nothing and it grows tiresome. Now that it's out maybe they should change the name from ACOG to 'Jeebus Sight' and just get it out in the open once and for all.
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For the love of all that's holy let's not offend the people who are trying to kill us! Do people go around looking for sh*t to offend them? Do one's religious beliefs alter the effectiveness of the sight? This is so much bs over nothing and it grows tiresome. Now that it's out maybe they should change the name from ACOG to 'Jeebus Sight' and just get it out in the open once and for all.
------------------------------------------------------------- Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, says the Trijicon sights could give the Taliban and other enemy forces a propaganda tool: that American troops are Christian crusaders invading Muslim countries. 'I don't have to wonder for a nanosecond how the American public would react if citations from the Quran were being inscribed onto these U.S. armed forces gun sights instead of New Testament citations,' Weinstein said. The foundation is a nonprofit organization opposed to religious favoritism within the military. ----------------------------------------------------------------- We also don't want to offend our allies. Stupid or not, this is the kind of thing that conspiracy theorists and propagandists will use against us.
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Trijicon is a private company and if they want to print pictures of big-bootied-hoes on their sights they are completely within their right to do so. As long as their contract with the man didn't prohibit them from putting letters and numbers that happen to correspond with words in a book then they have not violated anything. The vast majority of people didn't even know they were there and most folks, especially those unfamiliar with the bible, wouldn't know what it meant anyway. If there is supposed to be a separation of church and state in the military why are there chaplains? And no, I'm not anything remotely approaching a bible thumping member of the religious right. I just find it annoying the stuff people decide to let offend them.
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no were in the Constitution does it say anything about separation of church and state. What it says is First amendment 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
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I know. My response was in reference to the jackass quoted in the article I read that was talking about all the progress made in separation of church and state in the military.
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Chaplains exist in the military in far more than just christian faiths. They are there to provide comfort and healing to mens souls like medics and doctors and nurses are there to provide comfort and healing to mens bodies. The US was founded with the idea that no one religion would intrude on the government, plain and simple. Most of the founding fathers wrote about this extensively.
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This is a very minor problem and not putting our troops in danger, but here goes anyway: Trijicon: I don't have a problem with them putting any kind of religious symbols on their products. I don't think it's a good idea to associate any religion with a weapon of war, but if they want to do it who am I to tell them not to do something. Military: They should know better, how would you like to be carrying around a weapon with a satanic pentagram? Or a praise Allah smiley face? There should be no religious symbolism associated with weapons or war in general (heresy.. I know! ). We are NOT on a crusade no matter what the POTUS (Bush) says: http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0919/p12s2-woeu.html Fix: Grind off the existing bible references on existing military issue items. This should be done before troops deploy or when they return and in a way that doesn't put our troops in any danger due to a supply shortage. Add specifications requiring suppliers not to put religious symbols on products they ship to the military. The religious zealot generals, troops and even some chaplains that are proselytizing are putting all our troops in danger. Especially, those handing out bibles translated into Arabic. Nothing wrong with proselytizing, just don't do it while you are invading another country and wearing a military uniform.
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Trijicon is a private company and if they want to print pictures of big-bootied-hoes on their sights they are completely within their right to do so.
Now you've done it! You offended the brothers.
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Trijicon is a private company and if they want to print pictures of big-bootied-hoes on their sights they are completely within their right to do so.
Now you've done it! You offended the brothers.
Just one of the public services I provide. With me around people don't have to go looking for things to offend them. I put offensive things right out in the open. ETA: I actually do not find big-bootied-hoes offensive and think more people should put pictures of them on their products.
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My sentiments exactly. I am not PC, so this is now on my wish list for my HD sight: http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=640&back_row=1&categoryID=8 On a side note, this does give those extremist wackos more socio-political ammunition. Just like all those morons who took videos of themselves shooting the Koran - and now that crap shows up in the Al-Jazeera videos showing IED explosions/beheadings, etc.
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IIRC: Each model gets a different verse, and each verse has something to do with 'light' overpowering 'darkness'. Every model is either tritium or tritium and FO powered. As Banshee stated, the letters and numbers that correspond to the Bible verses look like casting numbers. In the end, it's a cool little way of explaining their scope's purpose with a short series of letters and numbers corresponding to the company founder's religion of choice, not some holy inscription meant to inspire a crusade or establish a denomination for the US Government.
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There has been some recent chatter in the industry of an updated Trijicon MRO red dot sight. First introduced in 2015, it is a direct competitor to the industry leading Aimpoint Micro T2. While offering a larger 25mm objective size, the MRO does exhibit slight magnification at 1.05x.
An industry associate met with Trijicon at the NASGW Expo last month and was told there is no foreseeable update to the MRO line of products. However, we noticed Trijicon’s website under the MRO FAQ section has been updated with the following:
IS THE MRO® MAGNIFIED? The Trijicon MRO Manufactured before Serial number 89,000 did have a very slight magnification of 1.05x which is within the range of competitive reflex-style sight. Responding to customer feedback Trijicon adjusted the magnification in MROs with a serial number of 89,000 or higher to have a magnification of 1.00x or no magnification.
According to a vendor posting in M4Carbine.net. They confirmed that the sight they received with newer serial number does indeed have no magnification, although it is hard to notice immediately with the naked eye. We are able to confirm this with a MRO in the serial # 92,000 range against one in the 5000 range with the photos below.
Trijicon Rmr Serial Number Lookup
The blue tint on the newer MRO has been subdued slightly, meaning the lens coating has been updated and improved, providing more accurate color reproduction. In addition, the sight is now 2.3 grams heavier and a thicker rim close to the rear window. The registered trademark symbol after MRO has been updated from ™ to ®.
This is certainly a welcoming update, since the slight magnification is one of the most frequent complaints for this sight. However, this will certainly disappoint those who have bought their MRO but did not get the latest batch from the factory.
Kumpulan Serial Number
If you can spot any other difference with the newer batch sight, please let us know in the comments section.
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